From: Gerald Fisher
Sent: Mon Jul 09 18:40:57 2018
To: Mitch Jorgensen
Cc: Dan Zinder; Dan Huff
Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval
Importance: Normal
Attachments: image001.jpg; Mitch, While you may disagree with the code and compacted gravel as being impervious, regardless of where it runs off to it is considered impervious. In our code it also allows, as a compromise, some areas to remain gravel during development. They don’t get charged stormwater SDC because it is not pavement but they do pay stormwater user fees to maintain the City system. If this becomes an issue for folks then we can eliminate gravel areas being acceptable in developments and require all redevelopment, no matter the level, bring the entire site up to standards including stormwater quality and detention. If you want to pursue a code change then that is your purview to do so. There may be unintended consequences related to developing properties in the City all in an effort to satisfy your desire to lower your stormwater fee each month. Also, reducing the total impervious surface will drive up the cost per EDU and that will impact all users in the City. Again, it’s your call if you think you’ve been treated unfairly and you want to ask Council to change the methodology in your favor. Once the other property officially changes hands to CoorsTek, then send us an email so the allocation of impervious surface can be transferred to CoorsTek. Regards, Gerald Fisher, P.E. | Public Works Director City of Molalla 117 N Molalla Ave. | PO Box 248 |Molalla, OR 97038 Office: 503.829.6855 | Direct: 503.759.0218 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. From: Mitch Jorgensen [mailto:mjj@molalla.net] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 3:34 PM To: 'Gerald Fisher' <gfisher@cityofmolalla.com> Cc: 'Dan Zinder' <dzinder@cityofmolalla.com> Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval The skinny rectangle that borders with CoorsTek is theirs essentially. Waiting for the County to get off its duff and approve the lot line adjustment, then we can get mylars to sign and it’s official. Aldo knows about it and has approved some time ago. That’s 2665 sq ft of asphalt parking lot belongs to them, and drains on their property, not MRM’s. See attached drawings please. The areas you point out to the NW of the office can be scarified to satisfy the code; the area North in no way affects stormwater; it can’t be scarified because we run equipment on it. It ponds with wet weather right behind the landscaping on the highway frontage and sits there until it evaporates and/or infiltrates. The area NW doesn’t drain to SW either, but to appease the code we’ll rip it up. You’re telling me that if it’s gravel, it’s going to produce runoff to the city’s system. That assumption is patently unfair and untrue, and I can prove it. I guess I have to learn how to effect a code change. MJJ From: Gerald Fisher [mailto:gfisher@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 1:22 PM To: Mitch Jorgensen Cc: Dan Zinder Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval Hi Mitch, Dan took a look and under our code and I’ve concurred that the attached is the area we have to charge you for with regards to the storm fee. He has passed on to finance a small reduction in area. If you want more credit then I can give you the same option I give to Avison and others. Areas that are unused but have compacted gravel can be cordoned off and scarified to allow for infiltration. It will not preclude you from redeveloping later on when you need to expand but is the only way we can credit you for those areas. The only areas that appear to be available for that in your current operation is the areas northwest of the office and south of the property labeled 1254 in red text. Regards, Gerald Fisher, P.E. | Public Works Director City of Molalla 117 N Molalla Ave. | PO Box 248 |Molalla, OR 97038 Office: 503.829.6855 | Direct: 503.759.0218 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. From: Gerald Fisher [mailto:gfisher@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 4:46 PM To: Mitch Jorgensen <mjj@molalla.net> Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval Thanks Mitch. I have in to Dan so he can review and adjust with Finance. Regards, Gerald Fisher, P.E. | Public Works Director City of Molalla 117 N Molalla Ave. | PO Box 248 |Molalla, OR 97038 Office: 503.829.6855 | Direct: 503.759.0218 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. From: Mitch Jorgensen [mailto:mjj@molalla.net] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 2:33 PM To: 'Gerald Fisher' <gfisher@cityofmolalla.com> Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval OK I’ve figured out what Dan did. He used my figures to deduct the area that I’m treating which is in DA-02. I’ve sent along the latest map with the latest changes made to MRM’s stormwater system so you can follow. Areas DA-04 & DA-05 do not drain into the detention pond A which outputs to the City’s stormwater system. The topography doesn’t allow for that to happen. DA-04 is all gravel and is where we currently make and store concrete blocks. This area has some higher pH because of that production and is lower than the pond. This area uses ground infiltration; nothing leaves the site from here and DEQ is all over me to insure that doesn’t happen because of the block production. DA-05 is mostly grass and is also downhill from the pond. It uses ground infiltration as well. DA-06 is the private drive and we just made a change in February that picks up two catchbasins near our office and re-routes them directly to the detention pond. We had them sealed off before this so they wouldn’t drain anything per DEQ. Only less than half of this area drains into those CB’s to the pond now, again because of topography. So this leaves DA-01, 03 and ½ of DA-06; The total should be 4.125 acres = 179,685 sq ft. If you’re not convinced please come or send Dan over and we’ll walk it. This is totally above board and no BS. Mitch Jorgensen, Pres. Molalla Redi-Mix & Rock Products, Inc. PO Box 555 Molalla, Or 97038 (503) 829-5555 x 15 office (503) 829-5558 fax (503) 969-3377 cell Online at molallaredimix.com From: Gerald Fisher [mailto:gfisher@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 3:12 PM To: Mitch Jorgensen Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval Will ask our GIS folks to prepare a map and area to show what is designated impervious (incl. compacted gravel) on your site so you can see and we can double check our numbers. Thanks. Regards, Gerald Fisher, P.E. | Public Works Director City of Molalla 117 N Molalla Ave. | PO Box 248 |Molalla, OR 97038 Office: 503.829.6855 | Direct: 503.759.0218 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. From: Mitch Jorgensen [mailto:mjj@molalla.net] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 2:23 PM To: 'Gerald Fisher' <gfisher@cityofmolalla.com> Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval Gerald I’m finally getting the time to look into this matter, sorry I’ve just had too many irons in the fire – you know well what that’s like huh? The total square footage the City has listed of 282,299 is so far out of whack it’s ridiculous. That equates to 6.48 acres, and there’s no freaking way that’s even close to accurate. I looked back on my storm water plan, and discovered that there are a few inaccuracies through the narrative, map and table of drainage areas described. They are all close, but don’t line up like they should. 3.9 to 4.5 acres though should be a lot closer to reality – not 6.48. I’m going to have my consultant do some tune up to these figures. $341 for use of 500 ft of storm line that we installed and upgraded during the street improvement is absolutely out of line Gerald. I appreciate what you’ve done to this point; got a ways to go though. How in the world does your man end up with that figure? I see he looked at MRM’s SWP to determine the areas that should be omitted, but he didn’t pay any attention to the rest of it. It’s not clear what it should be, but it’s between 3.9 and 4.5 that’s for sure. From: Gerald Fisher [mailto:gfisher@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 12:42 PM To: Mitch Jorgensen Subject: FW: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval Hi Mitch, We’ve confirmed that your impervious surface calculation was updated and you received the credit to your account. I am going to close the stormwater portion for the DEQ covered impervious area. Thanks. Regards, Gerald Fisher, P.E. | Public Works Director City of Molalla 117 N Molalla Ave. | PO Box 248 |Molalla, OR 97038 Office: 503.829.6855 | Direct: 503.759.0218 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. From: Heather Penni [mailto:hpenni@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 3:41 PM To: Gerald Fisher <gfisher@cityofmolalla.com> Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval Yes this was completed in March 2018 From: Gerald Fisher [mailto:gfisher@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 3:36 PM To: Heather Penni <hpenni@cityofmolalla.com> Subject: FW: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval Hi Heather, Mitch isn’t sure if this was done. Can you verify that the info below was input into his account and that he received the credit for his impervious surface? Training opp for Ginger maybe. Thanks. Regards, Gerald Fisher, P.E. | Public Works Director City of Molalla 117 N Molalla Ave. | PO Box 248 |Molalla, OR 97038 Office: 503.829.6855 | Direct: 503.759.0218 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. From: Chelsi Sanders [mailto:csanders@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 3:06 PM To: Gerald Fisher <gfisher@cityofmolalla.com> Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval Looks good Gerald, I have made the adjustment to the impervious surface and made a billing adjustment for the $85.49. Chelsi From: Gerald Fisher [mailto:gfisher@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 2:51 PM To: Chelsi Sanders <csanders@cityofmolalla.com>; Dan Zinder <dzinder@cityofmolalla.com>; Chaunee Seifried <cseifried@cityofmolalla.com> Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval K, so his new impervious surface would be 282,229 SF and his credit would be 35,284/2,980 * $3.61 * 2 months = $85.49 if I calculated that correctly. Chelsi, please check my math. Thanks. Regards, Gerald Fisher, P.E. | Public Works Director City of Molalla 117 N Molalla Ave. | PO Box 248 |Molalla, OR 97038 Office: 503.829.6855 | Direct: 503.759.0218 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. From: Chelsi Sanders [mailto:csanders@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 2:47 PM To: Dan Zinder <dzinder@cityofmolalla.com>; Gerald Fisher <gfisher@cityofmolalla.com>; Chaunee Seifried <cseifried@cityofmolalla.com> Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval His current impervious surface is 317,513. From: Dan Zinder [mailto:dzinder@cityofmolalla.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 2:46 PM To: Gerald Fisher <gfisher@cityofmolalla.com>; Chaunee Seifried <cseifried@cityofmolalla.com> Cc: Chelsi Sanders <csanders@cityofmolalla.com> Subject: RE: MRM Storm Water Impervious Eval Chaunee/Chelsi - what do you currently have as his impervious surface so I can see if it is different from what I have? Dan Zinder 503.759.0226 503.586.8094 (c) QCT/CCT #44362